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Cyberhobby Panzerjäger Sd.Kfz. 164 Nashorn

Re: Cyberhobby Panzerjäger Sd.Kfz. 164 Nashorn

Postby John Mohnen » Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:57 pm

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Re: Cyberhobby Panzerjäger Sd.Kfz. 164 Nashorn

Postby Jamie Tainton » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:43 pm

I managed to go through some of my shelves and came up with these as reference for Nashorn/Hummel.
This is a Ground Power that focuses on the Hummel
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Nashorn
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and from Dai Nippon Kaiga Co. Ltd.
Nashorn & Hummel
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"Don't believe everything you think"
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Re: Cyberhobby Panzerjäger Sd.Kfz. 164 Nashorn

Postby Allan Williams » Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:11 am

How embarrassing!
Perfect example of a) going to an armour museum with the missus and b) not sorting out your photos as soon as you get the chance and everything's fresh in your memory, not four years later.
I thought things were a little odd when I was going through them, didn't look like a MkIV interior, but they were in consecutive order with the others so I put it down to the hour.
Glad they'll be of use in some way.
Have you thought about doing this with the Bandai 1/16 Hummel?
They are really good prices on the Waffen Revues, let us know what their postage is like.
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Re: Cyberhobby Panzerjäger Sd.Kfz. 164 Nashorn

Postby Tim Coulson » Tue Jun 14, 2011 4:16 am

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Re: Cyberhobby Panzerjäger Sd.Kfz. 164 Nashorn

Postby Allan Williams » Tue Jun 14, 2011 5:25 am

Thanks Tim, I noticed that after I'd looked at a few of my Wespe references. I really should've sorted those damn photos ages ago. Also just noticed I've got a similar issue with some of the photos from Bovington.
What a shame I'm going to have to make the time to go back to these terrible places and take more photos:)
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Re: Cyberhobby Panzerjäger Sd.Kfz. 164 Nashorn

Postby John Mohnen » Tue Jun 14, 2011 5:32 am

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Re: Cyberhobby Panzerjäger Sd.Kfz. 164 Nashorn

Postby John Mohnen » Tue Jun 14, 2011 5:39 am

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Re: Cyberhobby Panzerjäger Sd.Kfz. 164 Nashorn

Postby John Mohnen » Wed Jun 15, 2011 5:39 am

Hi Made a bit of a plan to give me some idea what needs some more research.
Looking forward to some critics to get me in the right direction.
Looking at some of the work on the side makes me realize how much I can learn from the contributors.
Enjoy the side thoroughly.

1. Driver-Radio Operator Compartment
1.1 Floor
1.1.1 Mnfg. Floor (Scratch Built)
• 1.1.1.1 Cut out space for Escape Hatch Radio Operator.
• 1.1.1.2 Drill holes for Maintenance Hatches.
• 1.1.1.3 Drill Bolt Holes around access holes
1.1.2 Mnfg. re-enforcing Cross Beam. (Scratch Built)
1.1.3 Mnfg. mounting frames for Driver and Radio Operator seat. (Scratch Built)
1.1.4 Mnfg. mounting frames for transmission. (Scratch Built)

1.2 Manufacture re-enforcing sidewall brackets
1.2.1 Left Sidewall. (Scratch Built)
1.2.2 Right Sidewall. (Scratch Built)

1.3 Manufacture Welding Strips/Roof support brackets.
1.3.1 Front sponson. (Scratch Built)
1.3.2 Hull side walls. (Scratch Built)
1.3.3 Engine firewall. (Scratch Built)
1.3.4 Drill holes in all support rails for Bolts

1.4 Modify Compartment roof
1.4.1 Cut off triangles at bottom
1.4.2 Manufacture new Triangle Supports.
• 1.4.2.1 Mnfg. Support Rail for Compartment roof. (Scratch Built)
• 1.4.2.2 Drill holes in support rails for Bolts
1.4.3 Remove Bolt Heads from rooftop and drill holes for Bolts

1.5 Position Transmission.
1.5.1 Line up with Final Drive
1.5.2 Install Front Sponson Supports
1.5.3 Install Brake Drums
1.5.4 Brake Linkage on front sponson
• 1.5.4.1 Modify CMK Linkage.
• 1.5.4.2 Mnfg. missing Linkage. (Scratch Built)
1.5.5 Piping for Brake Ventilation. (Scratch Built)

1.6 Engine Firewall
1.6.1 Mnfg. Firewall. (Scratch Built)
• 1.6.1.1 Covers for Maintenance Holes. (Scratch Built) And Fastener holes
• 1.6.1.2 Storage Brackets. (Scratch Built)
• 1.6.1.3 Control Equipment . (Scratch Built)
1.6.2 Align Brake pipage.
1.6.3 Align Transmission/Engine Coupling.

1.7 Drivers Bay
1.7.1 Mnfg. Storage Box for Headset Driver. (Scratch Built)
1.7.2 Mnfg. Storage Bracket for Driver’s Gasmask. (Scratch Built)
1.7.3 Mnfg. Storage Bracket for dual Vision Block. (Scratch Built)
1.7.4 Mnfg. Bracket Fire Extinguisher. (Scratch Built)
1.7.5 Mnfg. Fire Extinguisher. (Scratch Built)
1.7.6 Chair for Driver
1.7.7 Details Side Visor
1.7.8 Details Drivers Front Visor.
1.7.9 Details inside top Hatch Driver
1.7.10 Instrument Panel
1.7.11Wiring. (Scratch Built)
• 1.7.11.1 Armoured Roof exit for drivers side head lamp and interior run
• 1.7.11.2 Wiring to Instrument Panel
• 1.7.11.3 Wiring to Interior Lights

1.8 Radio Operator Bay
1.8.1 Chair for Radio Operator. (Scratch Built)
1.8.2 Mnfg. Storage Bracket for Radio Operator’s Gasmask. (Scratch Built)
1.8.3 Mnfg. Storage Box for Headset Radio Operator and/or Hook. (Scratch Built)

1.9 Radio Equipment
1.9.1 Layout/positioning for Radio Equipment.
• 1.9.1.1 Fu5 Transmitter
• 1.9.1.2 Fu5 Receiver
• 1.9.1.3 Fu2 Receiver
• 1.9.1.4 Invertors/Transformers
• 1.9.1.5 Switchbox (Panzerkasten ?)
• 1.9.1.6 Antenna Cable plus JB’s (2a and 2b)
• 1.9.1.7 Radio Connection JB for driver (22a or 22b)Why driver? Intercom?
• 1.9.1.8 Interconnection Wiring. (Scratch Built)
• 1.9.1.9 Exit antenna Cable to:
1. Side Hull Antenna
2. Sidewall Fighting Compartment

1.10 Manufacture Interior lights
1.10.1 Driver at Instrument Panel. (Scratch Built)
1.10.2 Radio Operator. (Scratch Built)

1.11 Electrical Wiring
Rear Convoy Light
Connection Box Headset Gun Commander
Interior Light (Abblendleuchte) Commander
Interior Light switch
Connection Box Headset Gunner
Antenna cable run right rear corner
Antenna cable run right centre superstructure
Batteries. Position Where?????
Main Battery On/Off switch. (Behind driver on Engine Firewall ????)

2. Engine Compartment
2.1 Floor
2.1.1 Mnfg. Floor. (Scratch Built)
• 2.1.1.1 Cut out space for rectangular Maintenance access hatch.
• 2.1.1.2 Drill holes for Maintenance Hatches.
2.1.2 Mnfg. re-enforcing Cross Beams (2 Off). (Scratch Built)
2.1.3 Mnfg. Front Mount frames for Engine (2 Off). (Scratch Built)
2.1.4 Mnfg. Rear Mount frames for Engine (2 Off). (Scratch Built)
2.1.5 Where are Batteries located??

2.2 Right Hull Wall(Fan Side)
2.2.1 Modify RH Hull Side to complete Window. (Scratch Built)
2.2.2 Add/modify Fan unit. (AFV Detail Set)
2.2.3 Mnfg. Fan Covers.
2.2.4 Mnfg. Fan connection Rod
2.2.5 Add Voltage Regulators & Electrical distribution Boxes to Hull Frame

2.3 Left Hull Wall(Radiator Side)
2.3.1 Modify LH Hull Side to complete Window. (Scratch Built)
2.3.2 Mnfg. Drain Pipe.
2.3.3 Mnfg lower support rail
2.3.4 Mnfg./modify Radiators (2Off) and assemble to window.
2.3.5 Mnfg upper support rail
2.3.6 Wiring below lower support rail. ????

2.4 Front Firewall (Driver/ RO Compartment)
2.4.1 Attach U Bracket to top of Firewall

2.5 Rear Firewall (Fighting Compartment)
2.5.1 Mnfg. Rear Firewall. (Double Wall)
2.5.2 Drill out/File holes for exhaust piping (2Off) and hole for access to Airfilter.
2.5.3 Install Fan Drive Bracket and wheel
2.5.4 Install Fan Drive Tensioner

2.6 Engine (Maybach 120TRM)
2.6.1 Install engine (CMK Kit #)
2.6.2 Mnfg./Install upper dual coolant pipes/Junction/Pipe to Radiator inlet (top) plus flushing valves.
2.6.3 Mnfg./Install L/R exhaust piping thru rear Firewall.
2.6.4 Install Piping to AirFilter thru rear Firewall (Slit centre)

3. Fighting Compartment
3.1 Floor
3.1.1 Mnfg. Floor. (Scratch Built)
• 3.1.1.1 Drill holes for Drainage Hatches.
• 3.1.1.2 Mnfg. re-enforcing Cross Beam. (Scratch Built)
3.1.2 Mnfg. Fuel Tanks. (Scratch Built)
3.1.3 Mnfg. Support brackets for floor plates. (Scratch Built)
3.1.4 Mnfg. Corner Re-inforcing Braces
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Re: Cyberhobby Panzerjäger Sd.Kfz. 164 Nashorn

Postby Allan Williams » Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:44 am

Well shit mate, you've certainly got your work cut out for you. I've never had much reason to give the MkIV and it's variants much attention, but I look forward to watching you plug through it.
I still think the Bandai 1/15 Hummel would be a more deserving foundation for all this attention.
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Re: Cyberhobby Panzerjäger Sd.Kfz. 164 Nashorn

Postby John Mohnen » Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:43 am

Well finally got some time this week to add some litle bits to the project. It was a bit of a madhouse the last 2 weeks at work what didn't leave much time for the hobby.
In the meantime I received several additions to my library and each of them answered some of the many questions.
I managed to get some preliminary reports booklets issued during the war by the War Office and they give a reasonable detailed description of some captured German AFV's. Prepared by the School of Tank Technology I received a copy from Merriam Press of the STUG III, Tiger I, Pz III, PzIV (2 x, Mod D & Mod F). They are cheap and give good information on the subject.
Then I finally got some Dienstvorschriften of various AFV's (Nashorn, Pz III, Pz IV, and several other ones) and man the info contained is great specially the detailed drawings of various parts of the vehicles. Text is sometimes in Gothic German but after some hours of pulling out my hairs it starts to get a bit easier to read them.
Disappointing was the fact the area where I have the least info of (Radio Operator Bay) was not really described at all. But all at all the pieces start to fall together.
I also received the CMK kit of the driver compartment and at first glance there is plenty of stuff inside which can be used for a Nashorn or Hummel. The kit is designed to fit in a STUG III. Looking at the Tranny and Brakes it looks I made some big mistakes in my working drawing which is constructed mainly from Photos or various drawings out of reference books. Good point to not trust them to much without proper research.
20110708Tranny-25.jpg
Here is a closeup of the Tranny and the Brakes. The transmission comes without the heatshield which is shown in many photos of museum shots of the STUG, PzIII and Hummels. Assume that the transmission would get quiet hot inside the driving compartment and expect in the Russian Winter the heat shield would have been desirable.
Still trying to figure out if these were installed standard. Maybe someone has some ideas. Detail in the CMK kit seems to be crisp and will need only a few alterations.
20110708Tranny-2.jpg
I had to drill out the centre of the brakes to facilitate proper alignment of the Tranny. These holes will be concealed with some putty and the placement of the drive attachment. It was a bit tricky to figure out how the various shafts are connected from Geardrive to Brakes and Final Drive Sprocket.
Here is a pic of the alignment of the brakes at the hull sides.
20110708Tranny-5.jpg
The Placemarkers in the kit don't line up and I have to scrape these away, the markers on the brakes are for the STUG kit.
20110708Tranny-3.jpg
After removing them and some sanding the brakes fit snug to the hull sides.
Here is a shot of the test fit.
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